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Below are quotes from former KIDS of El Paso teens, families, staff, others, and various emails that have been submitted to the website in the first year.  Spelling has not been corrected and all is in it's original form as submitted.  If you have something to say below, email the webmaster with your desired quote.

Hallway Water Fountain

You should be so proud of yourself for what you've done with the bbs. You taken a really shitty experience and made something positive of it. You've given people a place to chat, to remember (good or bad it's important), to lean on each other and support each other. You have come so much closer to what a true therapeutic community should be than what Newton tried to accomplish.

I think you are one of the nicest people I have ever met (kinda sorta met). You are so compassionate to everyone on the board. You really have provided a wonderful service to us ex-kids. I am so glad that you have such an interest in people and where they are now. So I want to thank YOU for being the great guy that you have become and know that even though I don't post - I am keeping up with things and if you ever really need me for something I will be there.Thanks for lighting up my day (again). You are a true sweetheart.

You're still kickin' ass with this thing. Bravo! We need this, man.

I think I've gone from painful and sometimes PLAYFUL memories to numbness at hearing what you are describing. Funny- even without you telling me about the other WORSE programs - I never felt like a complete victim in KIDS. I bit humiliated here, frustrated as all hell of course, but never brutalized or victimized.

Great...this will be my new thing to obsess on for a while. Thanks!

I have been to the building since the school district took it over, and I got the chills when I walked in the front door...Do you know I still have nightmares about that damn place!

Thank you very much...I appreciate that...I would love for my site to blossom like yours! (Post Script: It did.)

I swear her name was Maureen McCormick, wasn't it? Have I lost it?
Webmaster response: Actually her name was in fact Marleen McC*rmack, Maureen McCormick played Marsha Brady on the original Brady bunch series.

Ever since this whole KIDS thing has come up I am not only remembering bad moments from then but from after the program too. I do not like the way it has been making me feel. I do not want to hear anymore who has AIDS, who's in jail or prison, or who has died! I do not thrive on others pain! I think I have been wrong to get involved with this whole board Well, I think I was wrong and I believe I am done with the whole KIDS thing. Again, I just can't do this.

To Whom This May Concern: As you well know, I am a former member of KIDS of El Paso. I have visited your website. To say the least, I was shocked when I was sent the website. It is disconcerting to me.

I received this interesting e-mail from a Korean that was attending UTEP and posted to the bbs requesting free English lessons in the El Paso area. I wrote him back and explained that the bbs wasn't for kids *IN* El Paso but rather about KIDS of El Paso, a drug rehab that existed in the late '80s. He replied: "hello...thank you for your email but, I didn't know the purpose of this site. I just found it on a search engine. I so sorry, and I feel shame. thank you. from won-sik, J*ung"

I do not wish to be associated with the program or people. I do not think it is anyone's business but mine and whoever I decide to tell. These are personal and private issues that do not have anything to do with anybody else. What happened in KIDS was a long time ago and weather good or bad it is over.

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I haven't had nightmares of staff chasing me since going to your website and getting involved!  Of course not everyone had to go through 5 point restraint for 9 hours, but I know by brother even had nightmares before and he even had more problems with letting those days go than I did.

I have to thank you for building this site.  For  years I've had nightmares about staff members chasing me because at one point I did get away about 6 months into the program but I got caught.  I think this website will finally get rid of those dreams.  Just knowing that Kids of El Paso was closed down!  Putting me in 5 point restraint for 11 hours was not fun and I was hurting! You're doing good for alot of people I think and I personally want to thank you!

I don't know, but as a friend I wanted to mention that so you could "hold yourself accountable".

"Spawned by the military, developed by academic research, driven by pornography, and used by shoppers - what can one say about the ubiquitous net that has not already been said? Its fantastic, its the future, it's the way to go; its better than the telephone, a magazine a directory, all rolled into one; its great for shy people, for old folks, the housebound, the disabled, teenagers, business sharks, voyeurs, pornographers, pedophiles and web builders. From a designer's view it's a challenging mixture of disciplines - graphics, typography, images, illustrations, animation, titling, photography, computing, video - working in various combinations, spread over duration, and limited by an ever changing technology and user capability. So challenging that we haven't really got a clue. But we are men not mice, and we reckon that for starters most websites are too busy - information overload - hard to read, or assess order, hence make selections, or too design conscious, too pretty for their own good, and do not use clicks and space (separate pages) enough, and are not planned elegantly nor efficiently. That's what we think. Not that we know shit, as you can tell from our meagre web output. But hold on, from little cyberacorns grow big cyberoaks, then grow cyberwoods from which we can make cyber fibre heh!"--Storm T.

Small Group Room Partitions

I have not even thought about Kids of El Paso for I don't know how long. I did not even know it went through such a rough legal battle (good). I left in early 1989 - I signed out after 3 years. I have not ever talked to anyone from Kids since I left. I really just tried to block it out. I am curious now as to what some of you are up to.

I had no idea I was in a cult - how cool is that?

I want you to know this....it's BECAUSE of you, (and God of course, can't do anything I've done or wanted to do without him) and your foresight to put this sight together that I am as healthy and stable as I am today. You have done all of us a great service. There are many who don't believe that I think...primarily parents, but they can kiss my you know what. They don't get it. I will be forever greatful to you for all you've done for us and this sight. I know that as long as that board is there, I will never be alone, it happened, there are people who can relate and it's over now.

I have tried for thirteen years to forget that awful experience and I do not want any reminder of it.  I have gotten on with my life and I would advise you to do the very same.  It is just creepy to see those pictures and quite frankly I think whoever you are you are a little sick. Wasn't it painful enough for you while you were there? (later the person added the following)Anyway, I do respect what you are trying to do and I apologize that my own fears of nightmares and re-occuring thoughts has made me so incredibly bitchy.

I have to say my heart was in my throat and I nearly stopped breathing.  It's like being faced with proof of aliens or something. I'm not a program basher, I mean I have bad things to say, but it's not my idea of a good time.  It was a long time ago.  I'm more concerned with repairing the damage done to my psyche.  I think it's about damn time someone created a "support group for blue chair survivors".  Thank you. I think it would be totally full of shit for any of us to say we put it behind us, because try as we might, it's just not possible. Anyway...after I finally got out, I had nightmares.   Dreamed I was still there, sleeping on my stupid mattress with an alarm on the door.  I would wake up and think that my life out of Kids had been a dream.  So, finally I faced my demons.  I went back.  By this time the building was a part of the El Paso Public Schools.  So, I told the receptionist I'd been "incarcerated" and asked if I could go through the building. Kind of wierd. They put up new walls and turned little rooms into offices and the group room was smaller.  I couldn't believe it, but there were no steps on the wall either.  I mean obviously, there wouldn't be any, but you know how things were.  So, anyway, we left.  Walked out.  No one chasing us, no wierd stuff and that night my dreams stopped.  Well, not stopped, but were different.


Back Door

Your website, sir, is a gross violation of the privacy of the individuals associated with that abomination known as kids of el paso. Kids was rightly kicked out of El Paso, and your website does nothing to refute the allegations made or even try to make excuses for the unconcionable behavior of the staff.  I know several people who were put into the program, and only one of them today is anything close to a normal, functioning member of society.  One, in particular, would most surely be dead if she hadn't cleaned up, but what kind of a life is she living?  She has traded one form of brain washing for another.  She is still as screwed up as she always was.  Now she just answers to another authority. You should be ashamed. That program should die a quiet death instead of being remembered fondly.  Pictures of the ceiling, doors, and water fountain?  An old friend??   Maybe you should look at the damage the program caused you, my friend.  You have my sympathy, and the hope that you will overcome the harm that program inflicted on you. By the way, I am also a recovering addict, and your reference to the twelve steps as a basis for your program is an insult.  AA and NA treat recovery as a way for addicts and alcoholics to re-enter society as functional, responsible adults.  Your program twists the minds of participants to shun society and the joys of a drug and alcohol free life without the security blanket of your fellow cultists, or whatever you call yourselves.  And that, Sir, is no life.

It just kinda scares me.  No wonder people run away once they get to the site!  You have been great and so far everyone I've talked to has been really wonderful. Thanks for everything. 

It made me sick to my stomach and a little emotional. But it is soooo wonderful to read about other people doubting their motives and stuff. There have been times that I have anguished way too much over decisions.  Recently I purposed to just make a decision and stick with it right or wrong just to not go back and forth about it!

Thank you so much for doing this and I appreciate you listening to people like me babble!  This is a healing process and you are being a REAL leader by doing this.  Funny how defensive we get at first coming here...I think we kick into survival mode 'cause it hurts to go back.


I do know that I have some craziness that I got from KIDS, and that's where you come in.  Are you cool with being someone who helps me deal with that stuff?  You don't need to worry, I'm pretty healthy and strong now it's just that I see some stuff that I want to address now.  And now's the time to do it. You really don't know how much this means to me. It broke me down to nothing, I experienced psychological and emotional abuse and witnessed physical abuse (ie staff members "beating up"a small kid for virtually no reason at all.).  I experienced confusion concerning how I felt about the program (for or against) due to literally believing I would die if I resisted or left prematurely. To some extent it did (coupled with my already held faith in God) saved my life. The abuse was unecessary and wrong. Only other individuals from KIDS understand the destructive thinking patterns I now possess that I have had to work hard to overcome.

Well I hope all is well in your life.

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